Recuperei a Esplanada Vaticano excluída neste changeset, acho que por engano. Por favor, tenha cuidado.

Olá Pedro. Essa alteração foi feita em contato com a comunidade do RS no Telegram com base em imagens de satélite. Dentro do município de Porto Alegre, eu tenho feito inspeções em campo (survey) e desbloqueado as vias conforme a água inundação vai passando. Canoas é longe para mim, mas se você tiver acesso a informações detalhadas de quais vias já estão secas, pode desbloqueá-las. Para fazer isso, lembre de remover todas as 4 etiquetas relativas a esse evento: damage:event=2024RioGrandeDoSulFloods, damage:event:wikidata=Q125772990, damage:type=flood e access=no.

Não achei relatos com fotos na mídia para a queda da ponte em Linha Guarda Mor. Tem certeza de que ela caiu? way/206782388/

Inserção de dados falsos é vandalismo. Marquei esse changeset como tal e estou monitorando o seu usuário.

Tem uma placa na esquina dizendo que é rua Carazinho, não? A Nilo Peçanha é a avenida que segue para o norte-nordeste a partir do fim da Nilópolis, e a Carazinho é transversal e vai até o encontro das duas avenidas.

Lifecycle tags should be used for all tags related to the destroyed feature according to the wiki: osm.wiki/Lifecycle_prefix#How_to_tag

A etiqueta hazard, até onde eu sei, só é suportada pelo OpenHazardMap, que é um projeto ainda embrionário. Não que isso significa que não deva ser usada, mas acho melhor seguir a recomendação do wiki e aplicar só onde houver sinalização. O risco é a situação se normalizar e a etiqueta ficar no mapa quando o perigo transitório deixar de existir. Tem mais impacto prático (que acho que é o seu objetivo, assim como o meu) mapear a etiqueta access=* nas vias bloqueadas, ou usar etiquetas de ciclo de vida (ex.: destroyed:highway, destroyed:bridge). Mas temos que lembrar que no OSM nós não mapeamos situações temporárias (como diz o guia que mandei antes), um bom horizonte de futuro é mapear situações que não vão mudar dentro de umas 2 semanas ou mais. Então, queda de pontes ou abertura de crateras faz sentido mapear, inundação acho que não (os trechos alagados tendem a drenar em poucos dias). Quedas de barreiras (pedras, árvores) também costumam ser resolvidas em poucos dias. É melhor priorizar as situações que tendem a se prolongar. osm.wiki/OpenHazardMap

Sem problemas, eu percebi que você começou a mapear há pouco. Se quiser, recomendo entrar no grupo do Telegram do Rio Grande do Sul, estivemos conversando sobre como mapear esses bloqueios hoje e ontem lá: osm.wiki/Pt:Canais_para_contato#Telegram

Nós devemos evitar mapear situações temporárias. Uma ponte pode levar tempo para ser reconstruída, mas uma inundação e quedas de objetos na pista geralmente são resolvidos em pouco tempo e com pouco custo. osm.wiki/Pt:Boas_pr%C3%A1ticas#N%C3%A3o_mapear_eventos_ou_elementos_tempor%C3%A1rios

A etiqueta hazard=* só deve ser usada para perigos permanentes constam em placas de sinalização e em fontes oficiais, não para situações temporárias.

@Mateusz Konieczny

See also similar nearby places (little villages) in the Faroe Islands and Iceland. I have chosen only a few representative examples, as a complete list would be too long and would miss the point.

I still think that Svalbard is the place that has been verified by the most mappers and so it is the best example to base any comparisons on. It was mapped according to Norwegian mapping practices, the other examples are here simply to show that this practice is not specific to a single local community.

To me, the highways in Whati and the Whati Access Road appear to correctly follow Canadian tagging guidelines. If you found an error, please add a note to the map or contact the local community in Canada. I will assume that the other 13 examples I provided do not have mapping errors.

After asking me to conduct a "complete" survey, when I do, the results are dismissed and no counterexamples are provided, indicating you haven't done such survey either. That's not a discussion.

@felipeeugenio

"Don´t invoke local communities."

Why?

"Do the Chilean mappers have a say in this?"

Of course! Please feel free to comment, and as someone who has been watching the region for a long time, I'm taking your point of view into consideration, even if I disagree. For me, your opinion counts, adding to those on the tagging mailing list. Together, they all currently lean towards your version. If within a few days the consensus continues to indicate that, I will update the wiki and downgrade highway classification in all of Antarctica uniformly to reflect the consensus.

"Did you discuss with the Chinese and Uruguayans?"

There are very few mappers in Antarctica, so I haven't found any yet other than casual mappers uninterested in highway classification. In fact, over two years, you are the first Chilean mappers I have come across in Antarctica. I've seen mainly Europeans from various countries. The initial mappers of the Fildes Peninsula no longer appear to participate in OSM.

"this is another "I own the place""

Quite the opposite. You can check the history of highway classifications in Antarctica in multiple places, not just the Fildes Peninsula. When I started, there were big discrepancies between these places: what you just changed to tertiary was similar to another road somewhere else that was mapped as service, somewhere else as track, somewhere else as residential, somewhere else as highway=road, etc. I welcome suggestions on how to improve the result. I don't think different parts of Antarctica should follow different rules, but the rules are up for debate, and as far as I know, this is the first time the are being debated specifically for Antarctica, which is a unique place in the world.

@felipeeugenio

"How about a complete survey?"

I actually did this a long time ago, but here are some other examples of similar regional configurations:
- Norway: Gamvik, Fredvang
- Faroe Islands: Tjørnuvík, Kunoy
- Iceland: Flateyri, Tálknafjörður, Hjalteyri
- Canada: Whatì, Tulita
- United States (Alaska): Eagle, Teller
- Russia: Varzuga, Yamburg, Chasovenskaya

@felipeeugenio

"which included several names that you removed after some months."

I removed information based on lack of verifiability as I have mentioned in my changeset comments. I have always been very lenient in Antartica as the data sources are difficult to come by, but I have seen many really bad edits all over it, including mappers using it as a scratchpad and leaving junk behind. So, in order to maintain data reliability, if you can provide a source, I will readd those names or features after verifying them and also add the source to the wiki: osm.wiki/Antarctica/Data_Sources

"We had to correct an unclassified road into Mount Vinson from you."

I don't fully agree with the correction, but none of us have access to data that demonstrates which mapping is more correct, we only have the Strava running heatmaps, where many tracklogs match motorised routes elsewhere in Antarctica, so I think it is not worth discussing this case without better data.

"And even the Svalbard example that you are citing, they are using a secondary (wrongly) to join two sectors of the same urban settlement. But as soon as the roads leave the Village they become unclassified roads."

Using highway=secondary to connect place=suburb is generally correct as far as I know if we don't assume any country's specific highway classification scheme. Ways that continue into sparser areas past a settlement's core have lower classification in Svalbard as they did in the Fildes Peninsula before these recent edits, so the pattern was essentially the same.

"Then again, please join the Chilean community."

Thank you, I will look into that. But as Antarctica is international space under the Antarctic Treaty, I think any discussion on it should involve communities from multiple countries, be it in Fildes, McMurdo or other areas. Since each local community has its own ideas about highway classification, disagreements are inevitable and it's best to find consensus rather than impose any country's specific system. While the Chilean settlement in the Fildes Peninsula is the largest and oldest, the peninsula is also home to year-round Russian, Chinese and Uruguayan stations.

"The eastern part, which starts as primary (wrongly), then leaves town as a tertiary just to head to a radar and the OREO Doomsday Vault. That is wrong too."

I think it would generally make sense for this route to be highway=tertiary up to the entrance of the Camp Beretz settlement (currently not mapped in OSM) and also all the way up to the Gruve 7 coal mine which likely attracts heavy traffic.

@jptolosa

Why would tertiary be the highest classification that can be used in the Fildes Peninsula?

"A reasonable solution can be using tertiary to join aerodrome with Villa Las Estrellas and using unclassified to connect Villa Las Estrellas with the bases that depending of the village."

I disagree with this based on the text in the wiki about highway=* assumptions, particularly this part: "In a region with poor infrastructure, a road of highest importance, forming the main road network there, should be highway=trunk, regardless of being a high-quality wide asphalt road or a low-quality narrow track worse than highway=service in other regions." These roads constitute the region's main network and are vital for its functioning, so their classification should not be so low.

For comparison, the Norwegian Arctic island of Svalbard has about 2,600 inhabitants, one airport and one larger town (Longyearbyen) of 2,100 inhabitants. A highway=primary road connects the town to the airport. The winter population in the Fildes Peninsula is about 115 people based (from COMNAP's 2017 Arctic Station Catalogue, referenced in Wikipedia), or about 1 order of magnitude below that of Svalbard, so it makes sense to use highway=secondary for an analogous connection. A highway=secondary way connects Longyearbyen it with the small Nybyen suburb which is similar in size (number of buildings) to Artigas Base and Great Wall Station, so again it makes sense to use highway=secondary for these analogous connections.

"The nearby bases have little or zero permanent population."

If permanent population becomes a criterion in Antarctica, then there will be no Antarctic roads with a class higher than highway=unclassified. McMurdo Station has a wintering population of 153 people and Amundsen-Scott Station has a wintering population of 49 and neither have permanent residents, yet there is little doubt that the South Pole Traverse, the most important (ice) road in Antarctica, should be displayed very prominently on the map.

Many local communities have adapted their thresholds for classifying sparsely populated places. Several local communities employ highway classification systems based on place hierarchy. And some even allow these population thresholds to vary across the country's territory, in order to achieve a more sensible and useful highway classification. Advocating for applying some sort of worldwide default population threshold to the sparse regions of Antarctica would go against what several local communities have done in the sparse regions of their own countries.

*the previous classification

These buildings are part of and nearest to the Russian Bellingshausen station. To follow the informal convention used in the region for years, their main name should be in Russian.

The previous was based on the relative importance given the local context. See highway=*#Assumptions